Union protest at 12th and Pearl is now out of control -Goldtex Post Bros

[Sharkfood]

Unless some higher authorities get involved (the City, the Feds) I don't really see this as being a game changer for Philadelphia, even if the building is finished. This level of intimidation will still inhibit construction; how many developers are willing to go through all this? Legal authority have to be brought to bear to stop these kinds of tactics. Only then will other developers have the confidence to go ahead with non-union or partial union projects.

I know other developers who concluded that the cost of fighting the unions is still way cheaper than hiring them. The Post Brothers are not alone in this; they are just the biggest most visible target.

[RainboTeabagger]

Unless some higher authorities get involved (the City, the Feds) I don't really see this as being a game changer for Philadelphia.

Gillespie in the new Inga article admits that the feds are on him now.

[Cro Burnham]

According to Philly.com, one of the union dudes who was arrested for bashing the guy with a fence is from West Grove, PA - exurban Chester County, that is.

Why does this dude have any right to be a union hooligan in Philly? Shouldn't he be extorting from the good people of West Grove, Chester County?

Can anyone confirm, by the way, that Ed Coryell of the Carpenters lives in Wenonah NJ and Pat Gillespie lives in Havertown or at least Delaware County?

How do these suburban jerks have any standing in Philly?

[raider.adam]

Because Doc (Electricians) is very smart and the other unions are run by somewhat smart guys. The carpenters need better leadership.

That's the union Bob Brady used to be part of leadership for and is still a member.

[Malloy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9Has6Lw7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo3-QWPTsw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnPiDPFUIrg (note the race card)

The Last Union Town | Philadelphia Magazine Articles

Those people wanted a fight,” he said. “And fighting is what we do.

I don’t like Nutter,” Gillespie says. “I don’t like him for what he did to Bernie Watson and John Street over at the Convention Center."

Council members asked the boss of Philadelphia’s building trades, Pat Gillespie, to come speak at a hearing. Gillespie contends they set him up.

“I got a call about a quarter to six the evening before,” he says. No one told him specifically what City Council wanted to know; when he arrived, he felt taken aback when Councilman Frank DiCicco launched into questions about race, boiling down to: What percentage of his unions’ membership are minorities?

Gillespie said he didn’t know. Council recessed so he could look up the numbers. When it reconvened, Gillespie held firm: He didn’t know the numbers, and couldn’t get them.

In years past, that answer might have satisfied any politician’s curiosity; Philadelphia’s unions have long financed and influenced the city’s most powerful people. But there’s something new happening in the city. And incredibly — dangerously, even — Council reacted by broaching the possibility that maybe non-union outfits should have a crack at the Convention Center.

“For Pat Gillespie to act surprised that a Council member would have the audacity to ask for the numbers — well, I’m dumbfounded,” DiCicco said recently.

Gillespie fired back, “I don’t know what his agenda is, but it’s not affirmative action. It’s not inclusion."

[MarketStEl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9Has6Lw7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo3-QWPTsw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnPiDPFUIrg (note the race card)

The Last Union Town | Philadelphia Magazine Articles

I recently wrote in a blog post on architectural style that Philadelphians were slaves to the past ^W^W^W^Wheld tradition in high regard.

The construction trades unions have demonstrated time and again that they Just Don't Get It when it comes to providing the kind of opportunity their own fathers enjoyed to those of a darker hue.

Until they do, they deserve all the trouble they're experiencing.

Did you know that affirmative action as we know it began with a program to require Philadelphia's building trades unions to bring minorities into their ranks after several court cases proved they had deliberately shut them out? It was a Nixon Administration initiative, no less. Google "Philadelphia Plan" and see what you get.

[Hal]

Can anyone confirm, by the way, that Ed Coryell of the Carpenters lives in Wenonah NJ and Pat Gillespie lives in Havertown or at least Delaware County?

Yes, that's in their federal election commission filings.

I had posted the directly links to the public AFL-CIO and Hilary Clinton for President public campaign donation filings but the post was deleted.

Curious, eh?

Just search the names at the Federal Election Commission website.

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml


Hal

[Malloy]

You posted home addresses and a pic of one house. Not cool here. Imagine if someone posted your home address? L O L

Yes, that's in their federal election commission filings.

I had posted the directly links to the public AFL-CIO and Hilary Clinton for President public campaign donation filings but the post was deleted.

Curious, eh?

Just search the names and campaign donations.


Hal

[Hal]

You posted home addresses

Well, the public campaign donation forms do include their donor's information and home address.
Query - why does Govt. require the "Hillary Clinton for President" campaign to disclose their contributor's addresses?



I do appreciate the slippery slope problem.
Posting public information in a public forum...
versus
Confirming that certain information IS public?
versus
Directing people where to get that public information?

and a pic of one house. Not cool here. Imagine if someone posted your home address? L O L

Well, actually it's a photo of the house, when the prior owner was trying to sell it,
I appreciate privacy, but an anonymous 14 year old photo of a house,
which is, of course on the internet with all the other "house for sale" photos,
didn't seem out of step.


Hal

[Cro Burnham]

Yes, that's in their federal election commission filings.

I had posted the directly links to the public AFL-CIO and Hilary Clinton for President public campaign donation filings but the post was deleted.

Curious, eh?

Just search the names at the Federal Election Commission website.

Search Campaign Finance Data by Individual Contributor


Hal

thanks. so these jerks - the bosses themselves - are milking the teat of the city and then spending their philly-extorted bucks in union-free gloucester and delaware counties.

i HATE these lard-assed criminals.

kenney, exactly why is it that you run to clean and spit-polish their nether regions?

[Swinefeld]

Ha ha, the last time I saw so many fat out-of-shape protesters in one spot was a Tea Party rally.

[Swinefeld]

This is the thing that perhaps angers me the most with these goons; they don't even live in the city. When you're not a resident, you have no vested interest in improving the city by growing the tax base, improving schools, community standards, etc. All they are interested in is bleeding the city for as much as they can. Ask them to a man, and they'll all say "fcuk the city".

According to Philly.com, one of the union dudes who was arrested for bashing the guy with a fence is from West Grove, PA - exurban Chester County, that is.

Why does this dude have any right to be a union hooligan in Philly? Shouldn't he be extorting from the good people of West Grove, Chester County?

Can anyone confirm, by the way, that Ed Coryell of the Carpenters lives in Wenonah NJ and Pat Gillespie lives in Havertown or at least Delaware County?

How do these suburban jerks have any standing in Philly?

[LUCas]

finished space is worth $400-$500 per foot.

Those numbers are ridiculously high.

[RainboTeabagger]

You posted home addresses and a pic of one house. Not cool here. Imagine if someone posted your home address? L O L

Hal isn't trying to damage the 5th largest city in the USA. Gillespie is.

[Cro Burnham]

You posted home addresses and a pic of one house. Not cool here. Imagine if someone posted your home address? L O L

political people, public info, taking our taxes. i don't see the problem.

you don't think these pigs have been scoping out and vandalizing the pestronks' and non-union contractors' houses?

[raider.adam]

political people, public info, taking our taxes. i don't see the problem.

you don't think these pigs have been scoping out and vandalizing the pestronks' and non-union contractors' houses?

It's much easier to have a blanket policy of no posting personal information and not have to make judgement calls each time. As pointed out, you can just as easily link to the documents that has the info. I don't see the point in busting Malloy's balls over this.


And for the record, people need to realize it isn't a "public forum". It is a private forum the owner is allowing access to. No First Amendment rights or anything of the sort exist.

[JoeBaker]

Ha ha, the last time I saw so many fat out-of-shape protesters in one spot was a Tea Party rally.

Yeah but at the least the Tea Party folks were clean.

[jizay]

Thugs are gearing up for trouble right now. They're expecting a delivery and guys are on the corners as far away as Broad St.

[Malloy]

Thugs are gearing up for trouble right now. They're expecting a delivery and guys are on the corners as far away as Broad St.

Dude, post pics!

[Naveen]

I know other developers who concluded that the cost of fighting the unions is still way cheaper than hiring them. The Post Brothers are not alone in this; they are just the biggest most visible target.

While this may be true, I think a lot of developers don't want the hassle, especially the big-time players. The Post Bros. are, by real-estate developer standards, a small to mid-level outfit. They need to fight for this. Bigger developers will just do what they can to get gov't financing aid, and if they can't, will just develop in better business climes.

Gillespie in the new Inga article admits that the feds are on him now.

I wonder if some of the powers that be in this city, who haven't been able to take on the unions themselves, are calling in some favors from their current friends in DC.