Bum rapes woman passed out on the BF Parkway

**Volanova** · 09-27-2012, 10:16 AM

Police: Homeless man raped unconscious woman in Center City | 6abc.com

I've seen that guy milling around before. Ugh...the city has to do something to get this under control. Unfortunately, they're stonewalled by the feeders whenever they try to do it.

EDIT: Please, read below. My point is not that the feedings had any direct, causal relationship with this tragedy, and I do not intend to insinuate anything of the like. The point is that the last time there was an effort to get people like this off the parkway, the feeders stopped it, and I fear that the same thing will happen again and again.

**mixiboi** · 09-27-2012, 10:34 AM

After Giuliani, its kinda hard to push hard without coming off as a *******....

The Tablet - How Giuliani cleaned up Manhattan

But these are the events similar to what happen in NY that push towards reforms in homeless people care.

**OutOfContext** · 09-27-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Volanova

Police: Homeless man raped unconscious woman in Center City | 6abc.com

I've seen that guy milling around before. Ugh...the city has to do something to get this under control. Unfortunately, they're stonewalled by the feeders whenever they try to do it.

You have got to be kidding me with this crap. You're seriously trying to blame people who feed the homeless for this?

Could it have anything to do with the systematic dismantling of our mental health care system in this country? Nope, it's obviously the people who feed the homeless.

Give me a break...

**seand** · 09-27-2012, 11:19 AM

The deeply cynical side of me is waiting for the picture of this guy receiving one of those controversial feedings on the Parkway to surface. That will be a fun one.

Feeding people on the Parkway without giving them access to meaningful social supports is not how you bring the homeless in touch with actual mental health services. Or actual housing.

Its an exercise that "feels good" for the people handing out the sandwiches but does very, very little to help the homeless over the long haul or make our city a safe place to live.

**sometimesilie** · 09-27-2012, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Volanova

Police: Homeless man raped unconscious woman in Center City | 6abc.com

I've seen that guy milling around before. Ugh...the city has to do something to get this under control. Unfortunately, they're stonewalled by the feeders whenever they try to do it.

So your argument is that people who provide food to the homeless systematically dismantled the social and mental health services system which, in the past, would have provided inpatient housing or anti-psychotic meds for individuals like this rapist?

Interesting.

**Volanova** · 09-27-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by sometimesilie

So your argument is that people who provide food to the homeless systematically dismantled the social and mental health services system which, in the past, would have provided inpatient housing or anti-psychotic meds for individuals like this rapist?

Interesting.

No, I'm not saying that AT ALL. This country needs a huge revamp of its mental health services that were dismantled in the 80s. I should have explained it better...I'm cynical in that when the city last tried to do something to get these people off of the streets, they were halted by the people doing the feedings.

**Volanova** · 09-27-2012, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by OutOfContext

You have got to be kidding me with this crap. You're seriously trying to blame people who feed the homeless for this?

Could it have anything to do with the systematic dismantling of our mental health care system in this country? Nope, it's obviously the people who feed the homeless.

Give me a break...

I did not say that. I blame the people that do the homeless for standing in the way the last time the city tried to do something to get people necessary help, though.

Revitalizing the mental health services offerings in this country HAS to be done. The removal of these structures in the 80s was one of the worst things to have happened in this country in a long time.

**hammersklavier** · 09-27-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by sometimesilie

So your argument is that people who provide food to the homeless systematically dismantled the social and mental health services system which, in the past, would have provided inpatient housing or anti-psychotic meds for individuals like this rapist?

Interesting.

It's not all that surprising, actually, when you remember the politics of certain dominant church groups and the policy agenda of their favored party...

Although at this point I must remind you that by the time the 1980s rolled around, the existing mental-health system--the one based on asylums and sanatoria--was wholly dysfunctional and broken, rife with the same abuses we now see in the (privatized) nursing home industry. The problems leading to this incident are multifarious, and the feeders' enablement of choice-homeless is just one of them.

**CapsuleF** · 09-27-2012, 12:30 PM

The organizations that feed the homeless on the parkway do deserve some of the blame for this. This makes me f'ing sick. Its a lot of their fault that this vagrant scum is continually milling about the area.

**mixiboi** · 09-27-2012, 12:58 PM

Blame is kinda harsh, as it our society overall that is to blame if you want to look at it that way. The groups are only doing what they think are for the good the rights of human begins, which is what we tend to forget about when talking to about the homeless, that they have the same rights as everyone else and to not have a full plan on how to help them out and treat them as humanly as possible.

To me these groups are like the groups that don't want the city to kill animals in shelters..its a great cause, but the solution isn't there.

**kidphilly** · 09-27-2012, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by mixiboi

Blame is kinda harsh, as it our society overall that is to blame if you want to look at it that way. The groups are only doing what they think are for the good the rights of human begins, which is what we tend to forget about when talking to about the homeless, that they have the same rights as everyone else and to not have a full plan on how to help them out and treat them as humanly as possible.

To me these groups are like the groups that don't want the city to kill animals in shelters..its a great cause, but the solution isn't there.

Blame

It is never right to rape someone and the fault or blame of the raper, period.

**mixiboi** · 09-27-2012, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Blame

It is never right to rape someone and the fault or blame of the raper, period.

Of course, for him...His individual actions are inexcusable...

**OffenseTaken** · 09-27-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by CapsuleF

The organizations that feed the homeless on the parkway do deserve some of the blame for this. This makes me f'ing sick. Its a lot of their fault that this vagrant scum is continually milling about the area.

The homeless hang out on the Parkway because it's full of shady (in both senses of the word) pockets of landscaping; because it's full of relatively comfy horizontal surfaces; and because the Free Library, their fave hangout, is right in the middle of it. If the feedings happened on an empty lot a few blocks away, they would trash the empty lot and come back to the Parkway once they were through.

It would be hard enough to establish a causal link between the rape and the feedings if the rape had happened at 3 in the afternoon. But it happened at 3 in the morning.

Most of us can see that the feedings are a big Sanctimony Parade, and I believe we're in general agreement that homeless men raping unconscious women is something that should not happen. But let's get a hold of ourselves: one thing didn't cause the other.

(And FWIW, the City's efforts to take care of this have not been 100% competent.)

**jazzsinger59** · 09-27-2012, 01:42 PM

The woman was passed out drunk,I see a lot a young women in town drunk,Why they do this I don't know.I am sure this happens more than what is new is reporting.These young women think they are safe and can walk the streets alone and drunk.I see them walking there dogs late at night alone.I have seen many young girls drunk in stair wells and on stoops.

**OffenseTaken** · 09-27-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by jazzsinger59

The woman was passed out drunk,I see a lot a young women in town drunk,Why they do this I don't know.

**rocknroller** · 09-27-2012, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by CapsuleF

The organizations that feed the homeless on the parkway do deserve some of the blame for this. This makes me f'ing sick. Its a lot of their fault that this vagrant scum is continually milling about the area.

You're right. There's no reason these vermin should be loitering about our most cultured tract, threatening public health and safety. Whatever happen to buying them a one way bus ticket far out of town? I'd be happy to donate to that!

**Eastcoast** · 09-27-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by jazzsinger59

The woman was passed out drunk,I see a lot a young women in town drunk,Why they do this I don't know.I am sure this happens more than what is new is reporting.These young women think they are safe and can walk the streets alone and drunk.I see them walking there dogs late at night alone.I have seen many young girls drunk in stair wells and on stoops.

Risky behavior is nothing new and people made mistakes even when you were a young buck...during prohibition.

**Gladys** · 09-27-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by OutOfContext

You have got to be kidding me with this crap. You're seriously trying to blame people who feed the homeless for this?

Could it have anything to do with the systematic dismantling of our mental health care system in this country? Nope, it's obviously the people who feed the homeless.

Give me a break...

Originally Posted by Volanova

I did not say that. I blame the people that do the homeless for standing in the way the last time the city tried to do something to get people necessary help, though.

Revitalizing the mental health services offerings in this country HAS to be done. The removal of these structures in the 80s was one of the worst things to have happened in this country in a long time.

Agreed it HAS to.

I want to hear the story of how the young woman ended up passed out on the parkway at 3am. Did someone leave her there? Was the bum the first? Where was she prior and where were her friends? It's rare to go out alone that late and not take a cab home. At least that's what i always did.

**thoth** · 09-28-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by jazzsinger59

The woman was passed out drunk,I see a lot a young women in town drunk,Why they do this I don't know.I am sure this happens more than what is new is reporting.These young women think they are safe and can walk the streets alone and drunk.I see them walking there dogs late at night alone.I have seen many young girls drunk in stair wells and on stoops.

suspect

**seand** · 09-28-2012, 01:06 PM

I have seen many people leaving their French fries and hamburgers unattended while traversing many of the fine dining establishments of this city. I don't know why they do it.

Signed,
The Hamburglar