Hard Rock Cafe's expansion is pretty cool...

[BenDee]

it received a cache of subsidies to open there as was posted already. it's possible that the convention center board is savvy, but I'd question the rationale for believing such things given their poor record of management. while my views may be unpopular with those on here that lack confidence in the ability of Philadelphia to produce quality food on its own without subsidizing a florida based change, I'd point you to the market east study which clearly indicated that bringing the terminal to market st was an intelligent idea that could help "activate" the street. it's not really a controversial idea but some people have trouble imagining anything but the way things are today.

You did not answer my question: What subsidies DOES the Hard Rock receive? My question is in response to your comment (emphasis mine) "'good thing we are using tax dollars to subsidize a florida based corp." You say that the Hard Rock still receives them. What subsidies do they still receive?

[eldondre]

You did not answer my question: What subsidies DOES the Hard Rock receive? My question is in response to your comment (emphasis mine) "'good thing we are using tax dollars to subsidize a florida based corp." You say that the Hard Rock still receives them. What subsidies do they still receive?

what rent does the hard rock pay? was the space competitively leased out since they were hand picked and subsidized? i understand the angle you are attempting to use but it's based on a false assumption. there are many sides to the equation. one could make the argument that ALL chains are subsidized since the city taxes local business at a much greater rate than chains. until you can tell me what subsidies hard rock received, when they expired, that the space is at market rate, and Hard rock provided the highest bid, I don't see much sense in believing your point that Hard rock is the best use. the reality is, those things are unlikely, it's state owned and subsidized property. the people that run the convention center believed that Philadelphians were incapable of providing a good restaurant and so they used tax dollars to buy a hard rock. the best use is something that brings people to market st and has a spillover effect (obviously not the hard rock)...that is why the market east strategic plan indicated that bringing the terminal to market st was a good idea.

[BenDee]

what rent does the hard rock pay? was the space competitively leased out since they were hand picked and subsidized?

YOU are the one who is claiming they still receive a subsidy, so YOU are the one with the burden of proof when asked for a source. Either find a document showing what their rent is and/or a direct subsidy still given to them, or stop saying that they are still subsidized when you have jack **** to back it up.

[eldondre]

YOU are the one who is claiming they still receive a subsidy, so YOU are the one with the burden of proof when asked for a source. Either find a document showing what their rent is and/or a direct subsidy still given to them, or stop saying that they are still subsidized when you have jack **** to back it up.

as far as I know it has been subsidized. you have been unable to provide any proof or logic otherwise have you? the reality is you do not know anything about it to the contrary. the hard rock cafe is subsidized and has been subsidized both directly and indirectly...the entire complex is subsidized. the lease doesn't expire until 2017 at the earliest. if you'd like to argue they have a market rate lease, fine, but I'd put money on it being BS.

Berk said he was delighted to have his organization in Philadelphia. ``How can a company so deeply involved in rock and roll not do Philly?'' is the way he put it. Hard Rock has a 20-year lease on the site

http://articles.philly.com/1997-06-0...ll-memorabilia

[supersupper]

In March 2007, the Seminole Tribe of Florida acquired Hard Rock Cafe International, Inc. and other related entities from Rank for US$965 million.

In 2008, anonymous members of the wait staff criticized the business because of its practice of paying them less than half the official minimum wage in the UK, with the business allocating tips to staff to bring their salaries within the law. Most customers, it was argued, do not realize that they are subsidizing a low wage when they give the tip.

[BenDee]

as far as I know it has been subsidized. you have been unable to provide any proof or logic otherwise have you? the reality is you do not know anything about it to the contrary.

You don't know anything about it at all, and have not shown that they are still receiving any subsidy, so why the f*ck are you spouting it off like it's fact when you are taking a stab in the dark at best?

You are the one making the assertion, the burden of proof is on you.

[NYC to Philly]

I was visitng PARIS a couple of weeks ago, and on a Sunday evening the Paris Hard Rock Cafe was PACKED and there were people WAITING to get inside to eat. PARIS I tell you!
Oh, and the Mickey D's has this cool self service order machines where you choose your food, pay with a credit card, and pickup your food on a separate line.

What did I bring back? WONDERFUL Laduree Macaroons!

[eldondre]

You don't know anything about it at all, and have not shown that they are still receiving any subsidy, so why the f*ck are you spouting it off like it's fact when you are taking a stab in the dark at best?

You are the one making the assertion, the burden of proof is on you.

Actually I backed it up..well unless you're some sort of moron who thinks the lease is market rate now that its halfway through. I'm sure you have a brain but you seem intent on not using it. the deal was made in 1997 and unless you have a lease in front of you, you seem unable to accept that the reason the hard rock is where it is is because of a subsidized long term deal despite hard evidence to the contrary. Philadelphia was then and is now capable of filling the space regardless of the hard rock's imported "expertise." you may think Philadelphia is inferior to florida in its restaurant scene but I challenge you to prove it. I'm spouting off logic, try it some time

[BenDee]

Actually I backed it up..well unless you're some sort of moron who thinks the lease is market rate now that its halfway through. I'm sure you have a brain but you seem intent on not using it. the deal was made in 1997 and unless you have a lease in front of you, you seem unable to accept that the reason the hard rock is where it is is because of a subsidized long term deal despite hard evidence to the contrary. Philadelphia was then and is now capable of filling the space regardless of the hard rock's imported "expertise." you may think Philadelphia is inferior to florida in its restaurant scene but I challenge you to prove it. I'm spouting off logic, try it some time

You are so cute when you're angry.

Rather than respond in-kind, I'll just leave this here: Graduated Lease Definition | Investopedia

Oh, also your link does not say the lease is subsidized. Even if there were subsidies in 1997, it doesn't have to be in the lease. There could be revenue guarantees, tax breaks, and other assorted items that expired over the years (or could still be in effect; my point is that you spout off that they have subsidies with ZERO proof). I'm just asking for evidence that those subsidies still exist or at least would exist based on 1997 articles ("The 20 year tax break will..." would be an example). That's what logic is, and that is how to use it properly.

[mixiboi]

All better:




They replaced the heavy doors with light weight aluminum. And the seating been upgraded, besides the entire inside being gutted:







This idk what is going on here....

[eldondre]

Oh, also your link does not say the lease is subsidized. Even if there were subsidies in 1997, it doesn't have to be in the lease. There could be revenue guarantees, tax breaks, and other assorted items that expired over the years (or could still be in effect; my point is that you spout off that they have subsidies with ZERO proof). I'm just asking for evidence that those subsidies still exist or at least would exist based on 1997 articles ("The 20 year tax break will..." would be an example). That's what logic is, and that is how to use it properly.

obviously proof was provided. the fact that I don't have the details simply means you can stick your head in the sand like a good knob polisher. in order to believe that they did not receive subsidies you'd have to completely suspend logic.