Developers want to turn the Garden of the Arts into the CONDO OF THE ARTS.

[bootsywannabe]

[QUOTE=Jayfar;538091]Can you name a developer who didn't donate to a Democratic mayoral candidate in a Democratic city?

Yes, there are many developers who do not contribute to our nutbags in city government. Their (nutbags) list of donors is not particularly long.

Can you tell me why the City can't advertise it's properties effectively when it wants to sell them, and why for example it CAN'T USE AN ONLINE MLS BASED SERVICE, OR ANY OTHER ONLINE SERVICE OTHER THAN AN OBSCURE CORNER OF THE PHILA.GOV SITE, OR WAS IT THE RDA SITE? That's a bogus sale, and it's a bogus deal all around. Even the apartment building looks bogus, and will be bogus. Dude

[thoth]

Would you support the project as is if the was sold on the open market? Your earlier opposition as acretin was to the height and density.

...which continued into this thread in the form of the cretin talking about how great the existing community garden was.

[bootsywannabe]

In principle, I would support it with a market rate sale. I'd rather have some trees and grass there though, particularly given the crony capitalism aspect of the whole deal currently - which is a done deal, by the way.

I think we should use some of the open space the City has on its hands for grassy, tree-y areas. It keeps the heat down, and it absorbs runoff. It supports a range of other species besides humans. There's no way the city is going to meet it's clean water mandates by filling in all the empty lots. There's no way we're going to meet it anyway, but that's another issue.

Do we really want to go back to photos from pre-60's Philly, where every single god-forsaken lot has a rowhouse on it, and there aren't really trees or grass anywhere? We do sort of have an opportunity here with these open lots to do something better this time, with more greenspace. That area is popular now because it was a funky artsy area for decades after the City basically abandoned it. Is a big old apartment building really going to make it that much better? I'm not so sure. I like it better as a garden. Or really expensive single family houses with backyards and parking. Apartment buildings suck, and so do condos. Have fun living next door to their dumpster!

[DCnPhilly]

[QUOTE=bootsywannabe;538093]

Can you name a developer who didn't donate to a Democratic mayoral candidate in a Democratic city?

Yes, there are many developers who do not contribute to our nutbags in city government. Their (nutbags) list of donors is not particularly long.

Can you tell me why the City can't advertise it's properties effectively when it wants to sell them, and why for example it CAN'T USE AN ONLINE MLS BASED SERVICE, OR ANY OTHER ONLINE SERVICE OTHER THAN AN OBSCURE CORNER OF THE PHILA.GOV SITE, OR WAS IT THE RDA SITE? That's a bogus sale, and it's a bogus deal all around. Even the apartment building looks bogus, and will be bogus. Dude

You do have a point here. The city is its own worst slum lord. Nutter is by far a lesser offender. Clark takes the cake. They sit on property for decades, even with potential buyers. I don't know the details of this, and I certainly think it should be home to an apartment building. If you dont like those there are plenty of areas nearby with rowhomes and yards. This is Center City, of a BIG city. The problem here is nothing sells on the open market because developers have been conditioned to wait for a deal. There are plenty of threads on here discussing just that.

[MariusPontmercy]

Do we really want to go back to photos from pre-60's Philly, where every single god-forsaken lot has a rowhouse on it...

Ummm... yes, duh.

This is the fifth largest city in the country, as well as one of the densest. Get used to it. If you want to be surrounded by trees the city is probably the wrong place for you.

[thoth]

Do we really want to go back to photos from pre-60's Philly, where every single god-forsaken lot has a rowhouse on it,

lol

I reject the notion that the remedy to Philadelphia's lack of green space is embracing scattered vacant lots. When residents and planners identify a lack of open space they're talking about actual sculpted parks, not just empty space. I really hope people understand the difference between Hunting Park and the Logan Triangle.

[mixiboi]

Unless they start digging NOW, 2013 is already missed...

[Litter Box]

It's not much but I saw plastic Jersey barriers in the lot today. Might be nothing or perhaps it might.

[bootsywannabe]

Oh yes that piece of junk condo hell is so much better than trees and grass. That thing is just as much an abortion as SymPHONY House, the pink wedding cake disaster. Might as well go ahead and just put CVS or Rite Aid in the commercial space in the diagrams. That is what will likely end up occupying that space. That's real punk rock though.

[Litter Box]

Oh yes that piece of junk condo hell is so much better than trees and grass. That thing is just as much an abortion as SymPHONY House, the pink wedding cake disaster. Might as well go ahead and just put CVS or Rite Aid in the commercial space in the diagrams. That is what will likely end up occupying that space.

Think of the taxes the new residents will pay. You could offer that amount in rent and save your precious garden. Give it a try.

[bootsywannabe]

Hey maybe if it had been a real sale listed on the MLS I would have bid on it. I don't rent.

Oh great the Mayor and City Council will have more tax revenue to waste on municipal pensions and benefts, which when combined with wages eat up fully 70% of THE ENTIRE CITY BUDGET. Pensions are 38% alone. They'll just waste any revenue they get on keeping the patronage nests afloat, and without having to contribute one dime to their pensions and benefits.

Bunch of condo junk brought to us via our political class and their buddies. Zombie capitalism, phillys version of Crony Capitalism.

[Litter Box]

Hey maybe if it had been a real sale listed on the MLS I would have bid on it. I don't rent.

Oh great the Mayor and City Council will have more tax revenue to waste on municipal pensions and benefts, which when combined with wages eat up fully 70% of THE ENTIRE CITY BUDGET. Pensions are 38% alone. They'll just waste any revenue they get on keeping the patronage nests afloat, and without having to contribute one dime to their pensions and benefits.

Bunch of condo junk brought to us via our political class and their buddies. Zombie capitalism, phillys version of Crony Capitalism.

All you do is whine, you must have a miserable life.

[bootsywannabe]

stay classy

[Litter Box]

stay classy

You don't even know the meaning of the word.

[bootsywannabe]

that condo building is classy too

[MNG1324]

If anything this development is too small for being next to a transit station.

[Litter Box]

that condo building is classy too

Better than a prime located empty lot that produces no revenue for the city.

[mixiboi]

If anything this development is too small for being next to a transit station.

They wanted bigger, but compromise was made for the losers in the tiny little homes behind this...

[bootsywannabe]

Oh yes those evil neighbors who dared to live there all this time while paying taxes. They should have no say. Classy

Why not make it even bigger and uglier? The city could have stuck those condos right across the street in the charter school that's closing, or in the health center, both of which suck up tax revenue rather than producing it. I'm sure the gardeners would have been happy to pay the property tax, had they been able to do so. But no corruption wins again. And we get to pay for it.

Stay Classy Philly ! Zombie Capitalism. It just staggers on

[mixiboi]

They should have no say since it didn't affect their homes.