Permit Parking

[rocknroller]

Does anyone have any idea on how to turn a street into a residential permit parking zone? I looked at the PPA website, but couldn't find the info I needed. Thanks!

[radiocolin]

You need to get a petition from the PPA and have it signed by 51% of households on the block. 215 683-9730 or 3101 Market.

[rocknroller]

Thanks!

[dcss1205]

What problem do you have?
Do you think the rest of the block will pay the annual fee?
once PPA starts patrolling they check tags & inspection stickers, not to mention overdue fines.
You know anyone with your sticker number can also park there, so it invites other PPA participants.

[rocknroller]

What problem do you have?
Do you think the rest of the block will pay the annual fee?
once PPA starts patrolling they check tags & inspection stickers, not to mention overdue fines.
You know anyone with your sticker number can also park there, so it invites other PPA participants.

There's a lot of non residents that park on the St, and then catch the 32 or 48 into CC. Not to mention other's who park work vehicles. I'm sure that the other neighbors would be fine with paying a few dollars a year for better parking. Also, most short term renters wouldn't have changed their addresses on their licenses. They wouldn't be entitled to a permit, freeing up more spots.

I'm all for the PPA checking tags and inspections. Chances are if those things aren't up to date, their insurance isn't either.

[Moonraker]

Renters who can show they pay rent or other bills on your street may obtain permits. There cannot be discrimination.
No law requires renters to change the address of their operators nor owners registration; case in point, military may retain their home address for both.

Transients such as students must tell their insurance company where the vehicle is located overnight. That's between them and their insurance company. Only if there is a permenant/formal change of residency, such a voting or income tax residency.

When you have company/guests, you will find that your guests will not have an easy time obtaining temporary parking permits, even though offered by the PPA.

Note that your issue is with commuters who depart when residents return home from work, and you run the risk of having a non-resident with the same parking sticker number beat you out. For example, even though my street does not have permit parking, I may apply for a permit and park on your street. As a retiree, I do not move my car often.

[the mule]

Who is eligible for a parking permit?

Permits can be issued for a vehicle whose owner and principal driver resides within an existing district as designated by City Council. The vehicle must display a valid Pennsylvania license plate and be registered to the owner’s home address in that district.

I've also heard of people with out of state plates getting permits, but that's not typical and I have no explanation for that. There are many Philly residents whose cars are registered outside of the city to avoid Philly insurance rates and most of them tend to be renters. It's very common among college students and recent graduates whose cars are still registered at their parents' home address. If your block has a significant number of renters, particularly young transplants, you may have a hard time getting enough support from neighbors because they won't be eligible.

Permit parking has been used in rental-heavy places like Manayunk as an indirect way to cut down on rentals with 4-5 students to a house. Those houses also have 4-5 cars per house, exacerbating an already terrible parking situation, so permit parking either requires them to register in Philly and pay local insurance rates or live somewhere else.

The guest parking difficulty is the only downside to permit parking, but if parking is bad enough for you every day of the week you're really not going to care about the occasional inconvenience to guests.

[boognish]

The most common explanation for out of state plates is that the car is owned by the employer, but the driver is a resident.

[Big Irish]

Renters who can show they pay rent or other bills on your street may obtain permits. There cannot be discrimination.

You're wrong. The only way to obtain a permit is if you live in the district & the car in question is both registered & insured at an address in the district. There are provisions for leased & company cars, but not for renters.

[rocknroller]

You're wrong. The only way to obtain a permit is if you live in the district & the car in question is both registered & insured at an address in the district. There are provisions for leased & company cars, but not for renters.

Correct. I received the application and petition from the PPA today, and it clearly states the above.

[Big Irish]

Correct. I received the application and petition from the PPA today, and it clearly states the above.

You need to be real careful about inviting the PPA onto your block. The ticket writers job is to write tickets, and that's what he's going to do. If he can't write "legitimate" tickets, like people without parking permits, he's going to write other kinds of tickets, like parking within 50' of a fire hydrant, too close to the corner, etc. The kind of tickets most people think are petty and unfair but are pretty expensive. I've seen it happen on the streets around me that went permit. As long as you know there's a good chance the PPA is going to write those kinds of tickets, and you're OK with that, circulate the petition.

[rocknroller]

You need to be real careful about inviting the PPA onto your block. The ticket writers job is to write tickets, and that's what he's going to do. If he can't write "legitimate" tickets, like people without parking permits, he's going to write other kinds of tickets, like parking within 50' of a fire hydrant, too close to the corner, etc. The kind of tickets most people think are petty and unfair but are pretty expensive. I've seen it happen on the streets around me that went permit. As long as you know there's a good chance the PPA is going to write those kinds of tickets, and you're OK with that, circulate the petition.

I totally understand that, and the ticketing is pretty strict already. Both PPA and PPD regularly ticket the street.

[schuylkillian]

what block are you referring to? somewhere around 29th and Poplar? I live nearby, but I honestly find parking to be farily ample, unless you are lookign for a space after 7 or 8pm, when most people have settled in for the night.

[dcss1205]

To the point of PPA being prone to ticket generation without compassion;
I have seen them ticket a car parked 1" onto the 12" white stripe, which is set back 6-7' from the house line yet alone the opposing traffic's curbline.
I have seen them ticket a car with flashers on, at 11:15 PM whose driver was dropping off relatives and safely parked at the end of the block, but in the NP zone.

Neither 24th & Perot nor 29th & Poplar pose parking problems, and I come back from 2nd shift as late as 1 PM. I must have extraordinary powers or patience, or is it that I don't feel obliged to park on my own street or walk 2 blocks. Then my success may lie in my ability to parallel park. I have a pattern and it may drive the pattern twice but I find a parking spot.

At 5:30 PM on July 4th, I finally had to park north of Girard Avenue, 31st & Thompson next to the development, but I found a spot on the worst night of the year.

In the course of driving the pattern, I will pass at least 5 vehicles taking up 2 spots. I've seen it mentioned that the Parking Study measured an 85% over-night parking rate, which translates to 17 cars parked where there should be 20. Ihave not seen it that bad. Frequently, I've seen cars parked 5-8' from the edge of the Parking Zone (sign).

Funny point, I never hear life-long residents complain about parking only about their observations of idiot-parkers.